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Embarking on a Faith-Filled Journey with Paul Granger

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Faith-Filled Journey

Faith-Filled Journey

In the realm of faith and spirituality, certain individuals stand out as ambassadors, guiding others through the intricate intersection of belief and daily life. One such individual is Paul Granger, a seasoned ambassador of Christ with over two decades of ministry experience. In a recent podcast episode hosted by Michelle Henderson, titled "Where Did You See God?" Granger shares insights into his faith journey, exploring themes of representation, prayer, and the challenges of church hurt.


Representing Christ in Daily Life:

At the core of Granger's message is the idea of being an ambassador of Christ. Beyond a mere label, Granger challenges believers to reflect on the profound implications of representing Christ in every aspect of life. Drawing from personal experiences, including an unexpected job loss, Granger emphasizes the importance of understanding that being an ambassador goes beyond occupation or societal expectations. He shares how this realization led him to create spaces for authentic dialogue and exploration of faith through his podcast.


Navigating Church Hurt:

One significant aspect of the conversation revolves around the painful experiences individuals may face within religious communities. Granger candidly addresses the reality of church hurt, acknowledging that the church has, at times, been the source of wounds. Instead of dismissing these experiences, he encourages a genuine acknowledgment of the pain and emphasizes the need for empathetic listening and understanding within faith communities.


The Power of Prayer:

Granger's reflections on prayer provide a refreshing perspective. He sees prayer not merely as a transactional tool for obtaining desired outcomes but as a powerful means of communication with God. Sharing personal experiences of God's provision and guidance through prayer, Granger highlights the transformative nature of authentic communication with the Divine.


Authentic Spaces and Podcasting:

The podcast, "Where Did You See God?" serves as a platform for Granger to extend his message beyond personal reflections. Described as creating authentic, accessible spaces to process God, the podcast invites individuals to share their stories and explore faith in a non-performative, genuine manner. Granger expresses a deep commitment to fostering connections and spiritual family through these conversations.


Books and Writing:

A prolific writer, Granger has authored numerous books, with titles like "God Won't Provide" and "Stinky Feet." The books reflect his deep exploration of faith themes and his commitment to sharing insights with a broader audience.



Paul Granger's journey as an ambassador of Christ is marked by authenticity, resilience, and a deep commitment to fostering genuine connections in the realm of faith. Through podcasting, writing, and open dialogue, he continues to inspire individuals to explore their spirituality, navigate challenges, and seek God in everyday moments. As we embark on this faith-filled journey with Paul Granger, we are reminded that representation of Christ goes beyond words—it is a call to embody love, grace, and authenticity in every facet of life.

Episode Transcript:

Michelle Henderson: Have you ever felt that God was telling you that you need to change your life, maybe a job, maybe the direction that you're going, and you're not for sure what to do about it? Well, our next guest, Paul Granger. He felt the calling. He knew that he needed to change his life. He had a family. But you know what? He followed his faith. And I absolutely love the conversation that I had with him. He said yes about being the ambassador of Christ. And he is an author. He's a podcaster. And of course, Ambassador of Christ. So I hope that you enjoy this conversation. And remember to follow your faith. And I hope that you say yes.

Paul Granger: Hello. It's great to be here. Thanks for the opportunity to connect.

Michelle Henderson: Oh, and I am very, very excited about this conversation. And I know that my listeners are going to benefit from it quite a bit. So what I want to ask you first, and I love this one in your bio. When you say, when people ask me what I do. I am an ambassador of Christ. So can you explain to us what that means and what do you have to do to be an ambassador of Christ?

Paul Granger: Yeah, well, for people who are seeking to follow Christ, it's something that we might say often. You know, we might say it on Sunday. We might put it in a post. We'll talk about this idea of an ambassador of Christ, but we don't often actually think about what that really means. We may know that it means representing Christ, but then we don't think about, well, then how does that play out in the rest of my life? And throughout my life, I feel like God has pushed me to really ask that question. Even all the way back to middle school, I'd gone to church all my life to that point. But that was a moment where I was like, am I just saying I'm a Christian because I grew up in a Christian household and went to church? Or does it actually mean something to my life? And if so, what? How does this impact my life? How does my understanding of God influence the decisions I make? Well, the hard part is, is that even when we really start to try to figure that out, we're doing so in a world that has a lot of expectations on us. One of the biggest expectations is you have to have a job because you need money. And so the main way you get money is you have a job. And if you don't have a job, well, that looks bad. Either there is a legitimate reason like you won the lottery or you're unemployed or unemployable or lazy or... And...

We push ourselves to make sure that we are solidifying some kind of socially accepted identity. You see it when we introduce ourselves.

It's one of the first things that we say when we introduce ourselves.

It's our occupation. Hi, I'm Frank and I'm a lawyer. I'm George.

I'm a doctor. I'm... And so...I like to push this idea of being an ambassador of Christ first, largely because God really pushed me into it without my planning when I unexpectedly lost my job about five years ago. And when you're unemployed, you can't introduce yourself in the same way you're used to. Hi, I'm Paul. What do I say? But at the same time. God had given me a sense of a heads up that something was about to happen. And when I lost my job, God gave me a peace that he was actually inviting me into something different. And what I began to realize he was inviting me to was to realize I never actually lost my job. I lost a functional job, but my job was actually Ambassador Christ. As a believer, that is first and foremost how I've been called to function in this world. And so that can happen in a functional space or when you don't have employment. And as I pressed into that more, I began to explore, well, what does that actually mean to live that out? And what it means is, well, how am I spending my day? How am I interacting with others?

Or put another way, every single moment, if I'm saying I'm a Christian, is a moment in which I'm saying to the world, this is what Jesus looks like. Every single moment. If we just pause there for a second, it's kind of a little scary, right? Because we're not consciously thinking that most of the time. And you and I could look back to parts of our day and say, oh, man. So I was pointing and saying that was Jesus. But man, oh, man, was I not really reflecting him. An ambassador represents whoever it is that sent him. You know, an ambassador represents the entity that commissioned her. Right. And so I have been called to represent Christ. And so whether I have a job or not, whether I'm hosting a podcast or writing books or whether I'm doing this out of the other, my first and foremost role and responsibility is to represent Christ in anything and everything I do. And so I think that's the short answer to your question is we ultimately are seeking to represent Christ and owning the fact that we don't always remember to do that.


Michelle Henderson: You know what it reminds me of? Do you remember those little bracelets that everybody would buy it with the little plastic bracelets that um had what would have  What would Jesus do?  and I thought oh what a great reminder especially in a youth whenever you're trying to make that decision as a teenager and you're going ah you know what would Jesus decide and I absolutely love that and you know and I think a lot of people whenever they're called sometimes they don't recognize it as being God that is trying to knock at their door. So, how would you tell somebody that it's actually God trying to tell you to do this? How would you go about that?


Paul Granger: So, I mean, first, you're not going to hear a calling if you're not listening.


Michelle Henderson: Right.


Paul Granger: Like if. I'm laughing because I'm thinking about our middle child who just cannot hear us. We've actually instituted this thing where now if we call her name and call her name, she doesn't respond. We say attention, put her name in because like we realize like she there's something that is blockading her ability to hear. And I think we're like that with God a lot. It's not that we're trying to block him out. My daughter's not trying to block us, but whatever is grabbing your attention at the moment, that is what she wants to see. That is what she wants to hear. Not at the neglect of the other, but this show is really entertaining and we're the same way. We're not trying to block God out, but man, this life is really entertaining, or this struggle is really demanding my attention or insert any number of things. And so, um, When we're hyper tuned into one thing, we can end up being tuned out to God. So I think that's the first thing is how are we actually working on our ability to actively listen? And then the second piece then is to actually figure out what it is we're listening for. Right. A lot of people heard Jesus's voice. Many of them didn't actually hear him, right? They heard words, they heard his intonation, they heard all those things, but they missed his message. That's why he often said, for those with ears to hear, let them hear. That's why he would say parables to hundreds and thousands. And then later on, the disciples would be like, what in the world were you talking about? And he'd say...You're not hearing me. Let me spell it out a little more to you. A lot of times when we are trying to hear God, we already have an idea in our head of what we want him to say or what we expect him to say.

We want him to say the thing that will bring about the things that we want, our comfort, our security, where sometimes we're bringing in assumptions around, well, God's just an angry God. And so he's already going to be mad at me. So I'm just going to expect him to reprimand me, right? And so, you know, I think that Jesus talks about the sheep know the shepherd's voice. So one, how are we growing and being able to know that we're not always actively listening and to get better at it? And two, how are we growing to know what God's voice actually sounds like? And if we're only doing it at the times where we need something from him. We might actually not be trying to seek his voice. We might be trying to seek what we want. So in the off times, in the calm moments, in the good moments, in the time where there isn't other things pressing on us, how are we getting into scripture or praying and practicing knowing what he sounds like? And then I think the third thing is if we've listened for him, if we've learned that it's his voice, then it's the decision of, but do I really want to follow him? And that's where if we make it that far, that's where we could get tripped up. Because sometimes the things that he calls us to are not the things that we were asking for, not the things that we want. They don't even make sense to us.

This is what the disciples wrestled with.Jesus like, all right, so we're going to go to Jerusalem. And they're like, no, no, we're not. Like, we already know they're going to try to kill you if we go there.

Your ministry will be done. So we absolutely cannot go. Peter rebuked Jesus after saying, you are the son of God. He rebukes him because in his understanding, what Jesus was saying was nonsense, was risky, was dangerous. And so if we've heard him and then we don't like what we hear and we decide not to follow through, then again, we might not have really been listening in the first place.


Michelle Henderson: And I love that explanation.Now, this may be a hard question to answer because a lot of people that I've run into, I love how you laugh at that. Oh, there's no questions that I can, which I love that about you all. So a lot of people that I talk to, because I really, I love talking about spirituality and religion and everything. And a lot of people that I've run into kind of have had trauma experiences with the church growing up. And so if you had somebody come to you and say, you know what? I'm really confused. I feel like the church turned their back on me or I was traumatized in whatever situation, but I'm trying to find answers. What would you tell them?


Paul Granger: Yeah. Well, I think even before responding to them, I think the reality is one of the worst things that Christians and churches have done is diminish or reject that reality. I mean, the church has been hurting people as long as the church has existed, right? The the religious entities, the spiritual leaders killed Jesus. So like church hurt has existed for a while. A lot of the New Testament is the disciples calling out the ways that the church and Christians were hurting other people were. And sometimes it wasn't even intentional. In fact, oftentimes I think it might not have been intentional, but people were so focused on things other than love God and love others that the reverberations from that caused harm. And so I think that's the first thing. And if I'm not admitting that, then I'm not actually going to know how to respond to somebody because I might get defensive. Oh, what are they saying about church? And I've got to protect the church. Or what are they saying about Christianity? I got to protect Christianity. Or what are they saying about me? I didn't mean to do that, right? Like we can get defensive and then we're no longer actually engaging with that person. We're engaging with a threat. We're engaging with a problem. But that threat, that problem, that's actually a person. If somebody is a Christian, then that person is also someone made in the image of God, loved by God. And my responsibility is to love. And so I think that's the first thing. Am I willing to... It goes back to what we were just talking about listening. Am I really willing to actually listen to that person and not just hear what I think they're saying or what I want them to say, but what they're actually saying? And then be willing to respond from that. If it's a situation where there isn't a nice, clean fix or the purpose for me is not to justify or clarify or explain away, give a platitude, what if it's actually just to sit and to listen? So I think that's...the first thing then maybe is I be less about what I would say and who I would be in that space. Um, but then I would say, you know, one of the really sad things about humanity is our tendency to kind of mess things up. We do with our relationships, we do it with our world.

We, we have a habit of getting into spaces and kind of, you know, junking things up.And, uh, And yet people have been who God has chosen to represent him, to be the ambassadors. And so finding that balance of inviting someone who's been hurt to say, yes, I believe you. Like, yes, what you're saying makes sense. And also, yes, those people were meant to represent God. But also, sometimes an ambassador does a poor job, and it's possible that who they have demonstrated God to be to you, God might actually be different from that. And if you're willing to get to know God, you might find that this false God that has been created might not be the one. This one that seems harmful might not be the one. And not in a forceful way, because you can't just say to someone, nope, you're wrong about God. It's like, well, why? Why would they believe you though? Because these representatives, these ambassadors of Christ for a year, for five years, for 10 years, for 20 years, for all their life communicated a very different picture of God. So sometimes this is a long journey, but I will admit again, a lot of Christians struggle with this. A lot of Christians get defensive. A lot of Christians feel like their primary responsibility is to protect God. But if there's one thing scripture has shown is God doesn't need people to protect him. He does a decent job on his own, but he invites us. And the invitation is love.

That is that love the Lord, your God and love others like repeated over and over in scripture. That's the invitation. That's my responsibility.


Michelle Henderson: And you know, I also think that the experiences that we go through God is teaching us lessons like you said we are an image of him and those circumstances it's almost you find God in all these places you wouldn't think you would find God in the darkest and the most awful places and god will be that beacon of light. So, let's go ahead and change it to prayer. One more thing. And then I'm going to talk about what you've accomplished, which is I'm going, how does he have time to do all this? So prayer, I love that. And I don't know where I heard, I think of one of the podcasts that you were on that you talk about prayer and how powerful it is. Can you talk about what you have seen, not only in your life, but other people's life? What has prayer done for them?


Paul Granger: Yeah.Yeah, prayer is a tricky one because we know what scripture says about prayer and the scripture says it's powerful. And we've heard anecdotal stories about prayer, but anybody who's prayed has also experienced that not happening. Like I was in this situation and I prayed for God to fix it and he didn't do it. And one of the big things that I had to learn is that my definition of prayer may not be accurate or may be limited. And so I had to start asking myself, what is it that I think prayer actually is? Prayer at the very base level is simply communication with God. And the reason I love naming it like that is because it actually makes it accessible to. There is a passage in scripture where there's this Pharisee or the teacher of the law who was just going in with these huge flowery prayers, long flowery words and just going and going and going. And then there was this guy who nobody thought much of. And I can't remember exactly what the prayer was, but it was very simple. It was, you know, forgive me a sinner or something very similar. It was like this humbling, repentant, simple thing like you're God and I'm not. Right. Just a few words. And Jesus applauded the latter. Right.Because he recognized with the former, there was a lot of pride that was mixed in with it. And with the latter, there is this humble understanding of the relationship with God. The Pharisee, they were starting to equate themselves with God. This other person felt like they didn't even deserve to be in God's presence. And yet something within them knew that God loved them enough that they could. Think of it in terms of this. There are times where there would be kings back in the day who, if you approach them without permission, The penalty was death unless the king decided not to kill you. Like the default was you were going to be killed because you approached the king without permission. Esther is an example of that. She said, I can't go to the king because he hasn't invited me in like a month, but you're telling me to go to the king. And if I do, he could kill me. Well, this guy who's praying knows that he is unworthy of God's love. And yet something in him knows that he can approach God. Right. So even if he doesn't understand it completely, there is a part of him that knows that God is loving, that God is forgiving, that God is gracious. And so, when we understand that prayer is simply communication then anybody can come to God in prayer whether they are you know a pastor and they're living their whole life in ministry and they read their bible every day or they're someone who hasn't touched their bible or prayed in months or years and honestly they don't even know if god exists but they they just something in them wants to just give it one more go right like both have equal access to prayer But when we know that too, then we change our expectations around that. Because if our expectations are treating it like God's a vending machine, I need this thing. And so that's when I go to God to get this thing. I mean, he can give us the thing, but it was never about God. It was about relationship. Again, it's communication with God. So his greater desire is that connection. And sometimes he knows that if something works out, it's going to forge that connection. Sometimes he knows that that connection will only forge if that thing doesn't happen, right? If we don't get the thing we long for, because then we won't need God anymore.

All right, I got what I needed.Talk to you next time I need something. But so as we're learning that it's simply communication, as we're learning that the purpose of it is relationship and connection, then we begin to engage prayer in a healthy way, in an authentic way. And we can begin to see prayer work in powerful ways. So as you mentioned, there's been a few times that I've shared stories where God's shown up in some just wildly unexpected ways. I already mentioned that I lost my job five years ago. I haven't gotten a paycheck since then. Like my, I'm a, a husband, a father of three. When I lost my job, my wife was pregnant with our third child. Like human logic says our family, we were already like right on the line financially. We cannot, cannot operate without two incomes. And if we're adding another human being into our home, we have a mortgage. Like I have to get a job, but then God told me not to operate out of financial fear and through prayer. We not only hit the point where our money was supposed to run out because we ran the numbers, but not only did we not run out of money, we never had to scale back our life.

We never had to go to just oodles and oodles every night. My wife, when she was in her third trimester, it was just really hard and struggle. And she was like, I feel like I need one of those pre-pregnancy or pre-birth massages or something like that. I'm just...I'm frugal. And if we already are at half income, human logic would say, sorry, like I could give you a massage or something. But I felt like I was saying. Your opportunity is to love your wife right now. Don't operate out of financial fear.So like there are things like that above and beyond things that God ended up doing. Not only that, when I took a job where I get no paycheck and that's what I've been in for since then, God invited my wife to leave her job. And for two years, she didn't have an income.In that time, God invited us to go to a family ministries training that was in, of all places, Hawaii. We didn't have money for that.Neither did we expect to ever be able to go to Hawaii when we did have money.

But like so thing after thing after thing showed that God actually can work, actually can provide, actually can do miracles. But at any point that I made it about the things, I started to miss what was actually there. I started to miss the real opportunity, which was God didn't care if I had a job or not, money or not. He cared that I saw how much he loved us and wanted to be in relationship with us and was creating pathways for us to deepen that. And so prayer is powerful.

I did a whole series of podcasts on healing. And most of those stories are ones where God didn't heal the thing.And yet at the end of those conversations, the person knew God more deeply to the point where they're like, if I could push a button and change everything, I don't think I would.Even though they suffered, they hurt, they lost, what they gained, what they saw God do through prayer that was in different ways than they expected was abundantly more than they could ask or imagine. And so I think for prayer, we just step in saying, this is simply me communicating with God. We learn to make it more about that relationship than the here and now. And then we trust that God actually can do the impossible. We stop looking for only what's possible and say, okay, All right, God, I'm going to be open to you doing something crazy. And if you call me to something crazy too, then I want to be willing to say here I am.


Michelle Henderson: Right. Right. Well, let's talk about your podcast.

Talking to which,  Where did you see God?  So what is the objective of your podcast?


Paul Granger: So this came right after I lost my job. There's a much longer story to all this, but the short version is got hurt by a lot of people that were close to me that I was still in relationship with, in church with, in the neighborhood with. And it was very hard for me to know how am I going to process this? Because the people I want to process with might not believe me because they're closer friends with the person who hurt me, right? And then God invited me to public transparency. I don't want the spotlight already, but I definitely don't want the spotlight and to say things that people may reject or may say I'm I'm making things up. But the sense was so clear that God was inviting me to public transparency. I was like, all right, God, you've shown yourself in some big ways already. I'm going to trust you. And that's when he slipped in this idea of a podcast because I didn't even listen to podcasts. I didn't have any plans. I didn't have time for it with young kids and one on the way. But what I came to learn is what God was inviting me to create was not a podcast, but was to create authentic, accessible spaces to process him, whether it was just me on the mic or me and someone else on the mic doing like what we're doing now. And I sensed that so strongly that from early on, I felt like God was saying that it was really about him working in that moment. And if an episode resulted, then that's a bonus. It suddenly changed it for that guest who might not normally plan on being on a podcast, but they felt like God was telling them to tell their story. Suddenly there's this freedom where it's like, this isn't performative. This isn't, you have to be an expert. Just let's authentically connect with God together and see what he does.

And if at the end you're okay with it being shared with the world, then we'll do that.And so that's really the core of it, is an authentic accessible space to process God, whether someone is on the mic or they're just listening on headphones, because God is difficult to understand sometimes.

Like you mentioned, many people have been hurt by Christians or by the church. My deepest wounds, all of them come from people who claim to be Christ followers, who may have authentically been Christ followers, but for whatever reason, Yeah, they wounded me. Right.And so if we're not creating these spaces to ask the hard questions, to sit with the hard things, to not always give an answer, then we're going to think we're actually alone in what we're struggling with or we're going to make our own answers or we're just going to give up because it's why it's not even worth going into all this if it's just going to keep on hurting.

And so that's the goal of it, to create authentic, accessible space. And however long God invites me to do it, I'm going to keep on doing it. Because it's been beautiful to see the ways that he has worked through story after story, through relationship after relationship.

And to see those extend beyond the recording, the connections that I've been able to forge, the spiritual family that has developed has just been amazing.


Michelle Henderson: Well, and let's talk about that as well. You are definitely a writer. You have a great relationship with God. Actually, I went to go look at  God Won't Provide . Is this your latest book?


Paul Granger: The latest one is Stinky Feet.


Michelle Henderson: Oh, Stinky Feet. Okay. So I actually,

went to Amazon to look at the book, God won't provide. And I was going, oh my gosh. And I kept seeing all these books. I'm going, when does he have the time for this? But I am just so impressed by how many books that you have really written to continue the conversations about God. So I know this is a hard question, but when you look at all of your books,

Which one do you feel like is your favorite? I know it's hard to have a favorite child.


Paul Granger: I know.I know when it's hard to because it's like they're different context. Right. That came out of here's the the wild thing for your listeners to know. I don't have time like I and let's just raise the stakes a little bit. All the books that you're showing on the screen were published this summer. All but there's one that's not on there, but two of them had been pre-written before the summer. There's the devotionals, but basically one, two, three, four, five, six, six or so were all written this summer. And they came out of moments where God brought some kind of an inspiration and I really feel like brought the words because I did not have plans for any of them. God won't provide. All I had was the title. It just kind of hit one day. And I was like, I think this is supposed to be a book. And when I sat down, all the original ones were ones you could read in like 30, 45 minutes. So I thought this would be a short one. And the way that it began to materialize to the point where it's like 100 and something pages long. I mean, if you know, if I had to pick a favorite, I think that it would have to be God won't provide simply because that has been such a strong, not just recurring theme in my life, but especially over the last five years. But something I have felt very strongly that the church and Christians struggle to actually support.

 press into is this the full title is God won't provide the lie we don't believe we are believing and what it means is that on Sunday we might sing out and call out that god's provider but then we live the rest of our lives as though that's not true we'll make decisions because of financial fear. We will make choices because we think we need money, but we actually don't need money. We need God. God can provide everything we need. Seek first the kingdom of God is righteousness and all these things will follow. And so I feel like, you know, money comes up a surprising amount in what Jesus taught. And I think it's because of the power that it has over us says the love of money is a root of all evil, right? And we take that as simply meaning greed. And so if we're not greedy, if you and I aren't greedy, then that verse doesn't really apply to us.

We don't have to worry about it. No, love of money can be in the form of give me more money or love of money can be, I can't live without money.

Like I can't, I need this job. I need this thing. I need, but when we abandon that, this is what Jesus said to the rich young man. Great. You want eternal life. You're keeping all the commandments.

All right. All that's left. Sell everything you have. Give it to the poor and follow me. And the guy walks away sad, not necessarily because he was greedy. Maybe he couldn't imagine a life where he had nothing. Maybe so much of his identity had been tied to that.

Maybe he was hyper generous. And who am I if I'm not generous anymore?

Right. Maybe he had biases against the poor. Like, why am I going to give my money away to someone who they don't have money because the way they're living or right? Like there could be all these things in his mind. And what Jesus recognized doesn't matter what is going through his mind. Money is the thing right now for him. And I think that's true for a lot of us, especially in America. Money is a big, big thing. Big, big challenge. And so, yeah, I love that book, but it's particularly because there's so much that came out of it that I didn't plan, did not anticipate. And at the end of it, I was it was such a gift to see how God can work through us when we're willing just to step in and obedience or my case type. Right.


Michelle Henderson: And you listened.You know, the most important thing, you listen to it and you follow suit so that you could get those books out. All right. Are you ready for the last question?


Paul Granger:I'm excited about this. I watched one of your recent episodes and I'm excited to see where this thing lands. Have you come up with a name yet?


Michelle Henderson: Oh, well, I just called it the Inspiration Hour Wheel. But do you have a name that we could name it?


Paul Granger I meant to creatively come up with one and I didn't.

So I'll let you know if I do.


Michelle Henderson: You'll have to send it to me.

All right, let's go and spin it. Yeah, you'll have to. Yeah, you'll definitely have to come up with a name. That'd be a good question to ask everybody.Oh, wow. So if you had to have a superpower, and this could be any type of superpower, what superpower would it be and why?


Paul Granger: Yeah. So this question is one that comes up a lot during like icebreaker things. And there are many times where I've struggled with it. And I'm thinking, well, how do I want to answer? I think the answer that has resonated with me the most is, is I would enjoy the power to be able to heal. Because let's be honest, it doesn't sound like the most exciting superpower because if there's an enemy, Superman comes in and does a super hit or something like that, and that stops the enemy.

Right. Healing? Am I just the medic that's off to the side and runs down?

But man, when you look at war movies, what the medics can do, they are doing a tremendous thing. But I think even more than that, most villains...They're villains because of some kind of a wound that they don't understand or realize. You know, so many times when people hurt others, it's because they've been hurt themselves. Or to put another way, they need some kind of healing. And a lot of times they think the healing comes from getting more power or getting more control or getting more whatever. But no, healing...And this is you see this in scripture.

And so that's what I would like. The power, you know, the villains coming down. He's like, oh, I'm going to conquer the world. And I just go and put an arm on his shoulder. He's like, oh, when I was little. And then like he doesn't conquer the world anymore. And we go out and get coffee.

And so I it might not make an exciting Marvel movie, but I think that would be the power that I'd want.


Michelle Henderson: Hey, you've heard it here first. So if Paul decides to write another book about his superpower, you've heard it here. I love it.I love it. Okay, Paul. So where can people reach you if they're going, you know what? I need to really talk about Paul and maybe even debate with him or get more information about God. Where would they reach you?


Paul Granger: Yeah, so the easiest place is

You know, like I said, my hope is to create authentic, accessible spaces. And so if it's in the form of a podcast or a book, then so be it. One of the things that's going to be happening soon, and I'm waiting for God's timing on it, but the podcast is going to make a slight shift. And it's not really a shift because it's going to continue as it always was.

But I'm overtly naming that first and foremost, I'm just creating one-on-one space to process. And so that'll create another window for someone who wouldn't have said, well, I'm going to go on a podcast. They would never think about having that conversation. But if they're like, I just need someone to process this with, they could do that. And then the option will be there. Hey, do you want this to be released to the world?

No. Cool. I'll release it to you.Or yes.Awesome. You don't have any idea how many lives might be impacted because you aren't alone in asking those questions or experiencing those wounds. And so. All that can be found at where do you see God dot com. But ultimately, you know, I just want people to know you're not alone.And so whether it's through your podcast, through mine or through something else, God has created us for connection and he is with us as well.


And so we could just take a simple step towards them and begin to see that happening.


Michelle Henderson: Love it and I m going to just end the podcast I don't want to change anything that you just said because that is so inspirational just find the connection and like Paul was saying you're not alone and if you don't have anybody to talk to about you know your spiritual experience your religious experience find somebody Because it seems like the more we talk, the more we find answers and the more that we listen to God as well. So thank you, Paul, so much for coming on. And I will see everybody next week.



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